Шломо Авинери в Jerusalem Post
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[...] never before have Israel's citizens been as terrorized and frightened as they are today. I realize neither Sharon nor Peres can, for obvious reasons, freely stroll down Jaffa Road in Jerusalem. But if they would, they might have been shocked by what they would see. No country can live with its citizens fearful of walking down the main street of its capital city. This is what is happening today in Jerusalem - and all over the country.
Неужели это правда? В остальном текст удивительно разумный:
With the ever-diminishing chances for meaningful negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians, unilateral disengagement appears more and more as the only way out of the present morass. Its relevance is also underpinned by two kinds of imperatives which usually do not go hand in hand - the security imperative and moral imperative.
The security imperative is clear [...] Israel is the only country in the world that has no control over its border, because it decided not to decide were this border should be. I realize it is a tough decision, but let us recall that every person killed [...] by a suicide bomber coming from the West Bank has been killed because we could not make up our mind where the border is.
The moral imperative is similarly clear: under the present circumstances, occupation still continues in one guise or another. We impose closures, road blocks, curfews [...] continuation of the occupation fuels resistance and enmity towards Israel [...] Occupation also corrupts Israeli society, has demoralizing effects on the army and will continue to corrode the democratic core of the country's institutions and public discourse.
The details are obviously difficult and complex, but one has to realize that brute force is not an answer - and, on the other side, the Palestinians are not ready for a historic compromise. Israel is left alone: we, Israel's citizens, will have to come up with an answer [...] Only a combination of hard-headed realism with an understanding of the grave moral dangers to the country from the continuation of the present unwinnable war can provide an answer.
[...] never before have Israel's citizens been as terrorized and frightened as they are today. I realize neither Sharon nor Peres can, for obvious reasons, freely stroll down Jaffa Road in Jerusalem. But if they would, they might have been shocked by what they would see. No country can live with its citizens fearful of walking down the main street of its capital city. This is what is happening today in Jerusalem - and all over the country.
Неужели это правда? В остальном текст удивительно разумный:
With the ever-diminishing chances for meaningful negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians, unilateral disengagement appears more and more as the only way out of the present morass. Its relevance is also underpinned by two kinds of imperatives which usually do not go hand in hand - the security imperative and moral imperative.
The security imperative is clear [...] Israel is the only country in the world that has no control over its border, because it decided not to decide were this border should be. I realize it is a tough decision, but let us recall that every person killed [...] by a suicide bomber coming from the West Bank has been killed because we could not make up our mind where the border is.
The moral imperative is similarly clear: under the present circumstances, occupation still continues in one guise or another. We impose closures, road blocks, curfews [...] continuation of the occupation fuels resistance and enmity towards Israel [...] Occupation also corrupts Israeli society, has demoralizing effects on the army and will continue to corrode the democratic core of the country's institutions and public discourse.
The details are obviously difficult and complex, but one has to realize that brute force is not an answer - and, on the other side, the Palestinians are not ready for a historic compromise. Israel is left alone: we, Israel's citizens, will have to come up with an answer [...] Only a combination of hard-headed realism with an understanding of the grave moral dangers to the country from the continuation of the present unwinnable war can provide an answer.
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Re: Îíî î÷åíü ëåâîå, ýòî ðàññóæäåíèå....
Date: 2002-02-14 06:46 pm (UTC)Re: Îíî î÷åíü ëåâîå, ýòî ðàññóæäåíèå....
Date: 2002-02-14 09:43 pm (UTC)Âîò âåäü, à âñåãäà äåëàëè èìåííî òàê. Ñ÷èòàëîñü, ÷òî àðìåéñêèé ëàãåðü ïîñòîÿë è óøåë, à âîò ïîñåëåíöû íèêóäà íå äåíóòñÿ. Äà õîòü íà ðóññêîå êàçà÷åñòâî ïîñìîòðèòå.
Re: Îíî î÷åíü ëåâîå, ýòî ðàññóæäåíèå....
Date: 2002-02-14 09:47 pm (UTC)Âî-âòîðûõ, â Èçðàèëå ïðèíÿòî ïîä ïóëè ñîëäàò ïîäñòàâëÿòü, à íå ïîñåëåíöåâ. Ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå, áûëî ïðèíÿòî.
Â-òðåòüèõ, Æåíåâñêàÿ êîíâåíöèÿ íåìíîãî âñ¸-òàêè èçìåíèëà ñèòóàöèþ, äà.
Re: Îíî î÷åíü ëåâîå, ýòî ðàññóæäåíèå....
Date: 2002-02-14 11:37 pm (UTC)Âî-âòîðûõ, âûñîêèå ïðèíöèïû ãóìàííîñòè ê ðåàëüíîé èñòîðèè è ïîëèòèêå íå èìåþò îòíîøåíèÿ.
Ñ ïîñåëåíöàìè ðàáîòàåò âåäü è òàêîå ðàññóæäåíèå - ñåé÷àñ ó íàñ ìèð, ìû èõ ïîñåëèì. À åñëè ÷òî - âñå áóäóò èõ çàùèùàòü, âåäü ýòî æåíùèíû è äåòè.
 îáùåì, íèêàêîé æåíåâñêîé êîíâåíöèè íå îòìåíèòü ìàêñèìó - ÷òîáû çåìëÿ ñòàëà ñâîåé, â íåå íàäî âðàñòè. Âîåííûå äëÿ ýòîãî íå ïîäõîäÿò. À ñàìûå ïðî÷íûå ñòåíû âñåãäà ñòðîÿòñÿ èç òåë.
Re: Îíî î÷åíü ëåâîå, ýòî ðàññóæäåíèå....
Date: 2002-02-15 06:43 am (UTC)Ïîëèòèêà è ìîðàëü - âåùè íåñîâìåñòèìûå. Êðîìå òîãî, ïîä ïóëè èõ íèêòî íå ïîäñòàâëÿë, ïîêà íàøè ëåâûå äðóçüÿ íå ðàçäàëè áàíäèòàì ýòè ñàìûå ïóëè. Îïÿòü æå, ïåðåä ïîñåëåíöàìè íàõîäÿòñÿ ñîëäàòû. Êñòàòè, âûðàæåíèÿ ÍÀÕÀËÜ è "õîìà ó ìèãäàëü" âàì ÷òî-òî ãîâîðÿò? Ïðî ïîëèòèêó îñíîâàíèÿ ïîñåëåíèé â ñòðàòåãè÷åñêèõ òî÷êàõ ñëûøàëè? Áóôåð æå íå îáÿçàí áûòü îäèí, êàê ïðàâèëî, èõ ìíîãî. À ïðî îñòàëüíîå Òîøèê ðàññêàçàë. Óâû, íî â ïîëèòèêå ïî-ïðåæíåìó íåò çàêîíîâ, êðîìå çàêîíà äæóíãëåé. Âñÿêèå êîíâåíöèè - ýòî âñåãî ëèøü åùå îäíà äóáèíêà, êîòîðîé ìîæíî ìîëîòèòü ïðîòèâíèêà, êîãäà ïðèäåòñÿ. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ñåé÷àñ ýòîé äóáèíêîé ìîëîòÿò â îñíîâíîì Èçðàèëü, õîòÿ, êàê ëþáàÿ ïðèëè÷íàÿ äóáèíêà, îíà ìîæåò õîäèòü ïî ÷üåé óãîäíî ñïèíå.