posic ([personal profile] posic) wrote2021-09-02 03:17 pm

Eight years ago

https://www.facebook.com/posic/posts/709895045691999

"I do not care how math. research journals operate, what they do, need or want. These are their problems, and I have enough of mine. The relevant question is what they exist for. They are there to publish mathematics, my work is mathematics, ergo they exist in order to publish my work. I am not working to produce something they would like to publish. I am doing research in mathematics, that's all. They are needed to publish what I've written. If they don't, they are not needed.

Should they have some meaningful suggestions concerning improvement of my writings, we can talk about that. If they just aren't prepared to publish my writings, we have nothing to talk about. For me, it means that they've rejected their mission and raison d'etre, and I can henceforth view them as nonexistent. I don't care whether they are coming out still or are being closed down already."

[identity profile] posic.livejournal.com 2021-09-02 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I would be very grateful to any editor and/or referee who found an error in my research. I would pay the utmost attention to their arguments as to why it is an error, to any refuting arguments, counterexamples, requests to clarify specific steps in my proofs etc. Unfortunately, this happens very rarely, and essentially never happens with important errors.

What I was (and remain) angry about was not reasonably well-justified claims by the referees of having discovered mistakes in my research, but rather the totally unsupported claims about my papers being not on the journal's quality level, or not interesting enough, or only interesting to a very narrow audience etc.

[identity profile] chaource.livejournal.com 2021-09-04 08:38 am (UTC)(link)
What I'm still angry about is that most referees today don't seem to care to do their job properly, and neither do journal editors.

Einstein came from a tradition where members of an Academy of Sciences were entitled to having their scholarly works automatically published with very little scrutiny; refereeing someone else's works is out of place because all discussion comes only after publication. The Physical Review operated in a tradition where referees are honestly trying to understand the new research and comment on it; a referee's objection is a possible reason for rejection.

Einstein's displeasure was due to misplaced expectations; he expected the first tradition but got the second one. Your displeasure is similar: you expect the second tradition to hold, i.e., you expect referees to try to understand your research and comment on it. Instead, you get the modern treatment where the referees don't care even to read the papers. The editors of the journals that rejected your work also don't read your papers; instead, perhaps they follow a hunch about getting some political advantages in the academic game if they publish Professor N's work instead of yours (regardless of the contents of those works).
Edited 2021-09-04 08:38 (UTC)

[identity profile] posic.livejournal.com 2021-09-04 11:00 am (UTC)(link)
I am striving to live the second tradition. I read carefully the papers which I review and try to understand them, then write detailed reports based on what I understood. I fully expect the same of the reviewers of my papers. When I get treatment totally contradicting the second tradition and resulting in irresponsible rejection of my papers, I strive to penalize the perpetrating journal.